The Big Debate: Waiting lists apology, cost of living and more powers

Cemlyn DaviesPolitical Correspondent
News imageBBC Party representatives - The Conservatives - Paul Davies Reform UK - Helen Jenner Labor - Eluned Morgan The Green Party - Tessa Marshall Plaid Cymru - Rhun ap Iorwerth Liberal Democrats - Jane DoddsBBC
From left: The Conservatives - Paul Davies, Reform UK - Helen Jenner, Labor - Eluned Morgan, the Green Party - Tessa Marshall, Plaid Cymru - Rhun ap Iorwerth, the Liberal Democrats - Jane Dodds

First Minister Eluned Morgan has apologised to patients in Wales facing lengthy waits for NHS treatment.

She was challenged to "say sorry" by an audience member in a live TV election debate.

Figures published earlier on Thursday show Ms Morgan's government has failed to meet its own targets for bringing waits down.

During the debate from S4C's headquarters in Carmarthen, Morgan was challenged by a member of the audience who spoke about a friend who has waited "five years" for hip treatment.

"He doesn't have a penny to go private and it's painful, terribly painful. will you say 'sorry'?"

Morgan said she accepted there were "problems" and said waiting lists had increased during the Covid pandemic.

When challenged further, she said: "Of course I'm willing to apologise, I'm very sorry to hear that."

"I'm happy to say sorry, it touches me and I feel it strongly because he's not the only one."

The leader of Plaid Cymru was challenged on the cost of one of his party's main policies, expanding childcare provision in Wales.

Rhun ap Iorwerth said the policy would cost an extra £400m a year by the final year of the next Senedd, but has not provided details on how it would be funded.

"This will be a matter of reprioritisation," he said during the debate.

Morgan interjected to say Plaid Cymru was not being "honest with people about where the cuts would come from".

She also said the universal childcare policy would put money in the pockets of "millionaires".

None of the parties have published full details of how their tax and spending pledges would be paid for.

The deputy leader of Reform UK in Wales, Helen Jenner, was challenged on her party's plans for public services, and denied suggestions from ap Iorwerth that her party wanted to privatise health services.

When Rhun ap Iorwerth referred to comments previously made by Nigel Farage on the issue, Jenner said ap Iorwerth was "obsessed with Nigel".

She was also challenged about a video that emerged in March in which Farage referred to Welsh speakers as "foreign speakers".

Farage had been paid to record the video as a wedding greeting.

Jenner said the remark was "not a joke I would have made, but it was a joke".

During exchanges on the rising cost of living, the deputy leader of the Welsh Conservatives in the Senedd, Paul Davies, said his party would "cut a penny off the basic rate of income tax", which would be "worth £450 a year to every family".

He denied that a "magic money tree" would be needed to pay for tax cuts, and said the UK government would be expected to contribute to his party's pledge to build an M4 relief road around Newport.

The Green Party's Tessa Marshall stressed her party's focus on freezing rents for people who rent privately, but some in the audience suggested this would prompt landlords to sell their properties, leading to a housing shortage.

On Welsh independence – which the Greens support - Marshall said there was a need to "build a civic society" in Wales as an essential step towards that goal.

Jane Dodds, the leader of the Welsh Liberal Democrats, Jane Dodds, re-iterated that she would not work after the election with any party that wanted to spend money preparing for independence.

That is a "red line", she said.

The Liberal Democrats also have a policy of raising income tax by an extra penny for a period if necessary to support social care.

"We are completely honest with the public – if the money isn't in the Westminster budget or in the Senedd budget, we want to see 1p on tax to ensure that it goes directly to [social care] services to bring down the numbers in our hospitals."

She did not say how long the period of increased taxation would last.

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