Summary

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National security 'can't come at the expense of social security', says Burnham
  1. Burnham's second PMQs: Defence, defence, defencepublished at 15:21 BST

    Adam Goldsmith
    Live reporter

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    Badenoch questions Burnham on defence spending target

    In his second Prime Minister's Questions, Andy Burnham went to battle with Kemi Badenoch over the defence of the nation.

    The Conservative leader used all six of her questions to address the topic of defence spending, asking the newly-installed prime minister exactly when it will amount to 3% of GDP.

    "He's talking about anything except defence," Badenoch said, as she charged that taxes will rise to fund benefits instead of national security.

    The prime minister, though, insisted that national security cannot come at the expense of social security, and emphasised the importance of the UK having "resilient communities".

    And, Burnham insisted he will follow his predecessor Keir Starmer's commitments to spend 3.5% of national income on defence by 2035, adding that a date to increase current spending to 3% will be announced in the spending review.

    At this second session, the dividing lines between Badenoch and Burnham began to crystalise, our political editor writes, as the PM said he "won't choose between" social security and national security - which the Tory leader branded "unbelievable".

    We're closing our live coverage there, but you can read more on the lunchtime exchanges in our news story.

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    National security 'can't come at the expense of social security', says Burnham

  2. BBC Verify

    Comparing spending on social security with defencepublished at 15:18 BST

    By Anthony Reuben

    Earlier at PMQs, Andy Burnham responded to a question from Kemi Badenoch about plans to increase defence spending by saying: “we do everything to support our national security, but it can't come at the expense of social security”.

    In April, Lord Robertson, who led the government's Strategic Defence Review, said: "We cannot defend Britain with an ever-expanding welfare budget."

    You can see in the chart below that social security - or welfare - spending (excluding payments to pensioners) has been higher - as a proportion of the size of the economy, measured by GDP - than defence spending since the early 1980s.

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    It is now considerably more - more than twice as much in 2025 - although the gap has not significantly increased in recent decades.

    You can read more about UK defence spending here.

  3. Reform UK denies wrongdoing, will cooperate with police - statementpublished at 15:07 BST

    We've just recieved a statement from Reform UK about the investigation by the Met.

    A party spokesman says: “Reform UK denies any wrongdoing and will fully cooperate with the investigation. We won’t be commenting further while a live investigation is underway.”

  4. Full police statement on Reform inquirypublished at 14:45 BST
    Breaking

    Following on from the breaking news in our previous post, here's the Met Police statement in full...

    "Following a broadcast by Channel 4 News on Thursday, 3 September, the Met received a number of reports relating to donations and polling involving a political party.

    "Detectives have assessed the information provided and determined that there are potential offences requiring investigation.

    "The potential offences are similar in nature to matters already under investigation by the Met's Special Enquiry Team relating to donations made to the same political party.

    "As a result, these matters will form part of that ongoing investigation.

    "All allegations under investigation relate to potential offences under the Political Parties, Elections and Referendums Act 2000.

    "As part of enquiries, detectives are seeking to obtain relevant footage relating to the broadcast on Thursday 3, September.

    "Detectives continue to liaise closely with the Electoral Commission and Crown Prosecution Service as enquiries progress."

  5. Met Police investigating Reform UK fundingpublished at 14:43 BST
    Breaking

    Chris Mason
    Political editor

    The Metropolitan Police is carrying out a criminal investigation into allegations Reform UK broke the law in relation to foreign funding.

    The investigation - which follows the broadcast by Channel 4 News last week - is being folded into the inquiry that has been underway into some other donations to Reform for some time.

  6. Support for disability benefits 'remarkably strong', report findspublished at 14:27 BST

    Michael Buchanan
    Social affairs correspondent

    Pip protesters in Parliament Square hold signs demonstrating against welfare cutsImage source, Getty Images
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    Protesters demonstrated against benefit cuts at a rally in Parliament Square in 2025

    Kemi Badenoch called for Andy Burnham to cut welfare spending in order to fund national security during today's PMQs.

    But support for disability benefits remains "remarkably strong" and cutting them would be "politically risky", according to a new report.

    The analysis, from the British Social Attitudes survey, found that fewer than one in 10 people favoured cutting welfare payments for the disabled, with almost half of people saying they would support more being spent on them, even if it led to higher taxes.

    Spending on the main disability benefit is forecast to more than double in a decade, reaching £41bn by 2030.

    But the report says that cutting these payments would not be easy.

    "Very few people favour cuts, disabled people are seen as among the most deserving recipients of support, and proposals to reduce disability benefits appear politically risky across the political spectrum," says the report's co-author Dr Robert de Vries from the University of Kent.

    The analysis is based on 4,656 interviews gathered between August and October 2025 - we've more on its findings in our news story.

  7. Analysis

    Defence spending has created vulnerability for Burnhampublished at 14:12 BST

    Harry Farley
    Reporting from the House of Commons

    I’ve just come from the regular briefing the prime minister’s team does with reporters after PMQs. It’s our opportunity to press for further details, or ask for clarifications, on what was said in the Commons.

    The immediate focus was on Andy Burnham’s line that supporting national security "can't come at the expense of social security”.

    His press team were at pains to stress his previous commitment that "national security is the most important duty of any government”.

    On the discussion in PMQs about welfare, the prime minister’s press secretary stressed Burnham has been “consistent about getting the welfare bill down”. But they said that didn’t mean “crude cuts” that could “put people into crisis” by making them homeless and so creating higher costs elsewhere in the system to support them.

    When John Healey - now the chancellor - quit as defence secretary under Keir Starmer, he specifically cited the immediate risks facing Britain and the urgent need to spend 3% of GDP on defence by 2030.

    But Burnham is not yet committing to reaching that shorter term target, only saying the UK will reach 3.5% by 2035 - a date seen as too late by many military experts to meet the threats posed by Russia.

    Any decision over increasing defence spending has been deferred to next year’s spending review.

    But that has created a political vulnerability for Labour here and now.

    You can expect the Conservatives to highlight that vulnerability over and over again in the weeks building up to the Budget.

  8. Watch: Burnham says national security 'can't come at the expense of social security'published at 13:51 BST

    One of the key exchanges at PMQs this lunchtime centred on how plans for increased defence spending should be funded.

    Watch below as Prime Minister Andy Burnham rejected Kemi Badenoch's argument that he should cut welfare spending to meet the UK's Nato commitments.

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    National security 'can't come at the expense of social security', says Burnham

  9. BBC Verify

    By the numbers: How much is the government spending on defence?published at 13:31 BST

    By Anthony Reuben

    Kemi Badenoch tried to get Andy Burnham to commit to when he would increase defence spending to 3% of the size of the economy measured by GDP.

    The prime minister said she would have to wait for next year’s spending review, but set out some other figures on defence spending.

    “It was 2.5% of GDP when the last Labour government left office. It was 2.3% of GDP when the government she was in left office. It's now set to be 2.7% in the next year,” he told MPs.

    A line chart shows a red line that marks the level of defence spending committed by governments since 1990. It was just shy of 3.5% in 1990/91, and currently sits at 2.3%, with 2.5% forecasted.

    Checking that in the latest figures from the military alliance Nato, external, spending was indeed 2.3% in 2024. You need a slightly older publication, external to confirm the 2.5% figure from 2010.

    The 2.7% figure for next year is the target from the Defence Investment Plan, external.

    You can read more here about UK defence spending - and the challenge of getting to 3%.

  10. Watch: Burnham defends appointing John Healey as chancellorpublished at 13:18 BST

    During today's PMQs session, Prime Minister Andy Burnham faced questions over why he had picked John Healey as his chancellor.

    Burnham insisted Healey had been selected because of his commitment to defence spending - take a look below.

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    Burnham defends appointment of chancellor

  11. Tories urges rise in defence spending - but Labour says it's not 'complacent'published at 13:08 BST

    Vicki Young
    Politics Live presenter

    Speaking on Politics Live after PMQs, Laura Trott – the shadow education secretary – echoed Kemi Badenoch’s call on the government to cut welfare spending to boost investment in defence.

    She told me: “We believe we should cut a ballooning welfare bill in order to fund our defence priorities. This should be done at the Budget – the threats are real, we’re facing them now. This is not something that should be punted off to a spending review.”

    The Culture Secretary Lisa Nandy insisted the Labour government isn’t waiting to increase spending on defence.

    She says that “we said we would reach 2.5% of GDP in our manifesto – we’ve surpassed that already several years early. I don’t think we’ve been complacent about it.”

    You can catch up with today’s Politics Live on BBC iPlayer.

  12. Burnham and Badenoch go back and forth on defence spending - a recappublished at 12:44 BST

    Rachel Flynn
    Live reporter

    Andy Burnham leans against the dispatch box as he speaks during PMQsImage source, House of Commons

    Tory leader Kemi Badenoch chose the government's defence spending as her main line of attack during this week's Prime Minister's Questions.

    She began by questioning whether Burnham will fund defence spending at 3% of GDP.

    The PM replied that the government will spend 3.5% of its GDP by 2035, and a date for its 3% defence funding will be announced in the spending review.

    He said strong national security cannot come at the expense of social security, which Badenoch called "unbelievable". She said he could fund defence by approving the Rosebank oil field off Shetland.

    Burnham said the "Labour way" to get the welfare budget down is to save billions from housing benefits from building more council houses, and help more young people get into work.

  13. Analysis

    PM took opportunity to set out foreign policy visionpublished at 12:38 BST

    Harry Farley
    Reporting from the Commons

    Andy Burnham stands at the dispatch box as he speaks at PMQs. Ed Miliband can be seen sat behind him on the front benchImage source, House of Commons

    Andy Burnham used Kemi Badenoch’s final question about leadership as an opportunity to set out a glimpse of his foreign policy vision.

    We have not heard much about how the prime minister sees Britain’s role on the global stage.

    The question was not about the Middle East and the government’s sanctions on Israeli settlements. But the prime minister wants to boast of that decision and highlight what it says about his international outlook.

    "In this difficult and dangerous world, Britain has to stand for something,” he told MPs, echoing words he used in a piece for the Guardian overnight.

    "We will always stand with the underdog,” he added.

    His response received the largest cheers of the session so far from Labour MPs; a sign of how popular the sanctions are among most in Burnham’s party.

  14. Burnham continues to field questions from MPspublished at 12:37 BST

    The PM is still taking questions from MPs from across the House as his second prime minister's questions continues.

    We'll bring you a recap shortly of all of all the key points we've heard.

  15. Electricity bill VAT cut 'not going to solve everything' - Burnhampublished at 12:34 BST

    Andy Burnham stands at the dispatch box. His Labour MPs - including members of the cabinet - can be seen on the front benchesImage source, House of Commons

    The SNP's Dave Doogan asks about the upcoming increase in energy bills for households across the UK ahead of the rise in the Ofgem's price cap.

    Doogan says he "quite likes" the new prime minister, but asks him what he is going to do to help people with rising costs as "popularity will not pay the bills".

    Burnham answers that he will be removing VAT from electricity bills, saying "it is not going to solve everything" but will take some pressure off.

    He adds that Doogan should look out for further measures to come, mentioning the £2 bus fare cap, while acknowledging that does only apply in England.

    "Can I thank him for his fake praise and say it will get him everywhere," Burnham jokes in conclusion, to laugher from MPs.

    For context: Energy prices for millions of households will rise to the highest level for three years on 1 October.

  16. Pushed on AI safety, Burnham invites cross-party discussionpublished at 12:31 BST

    Davey says the best legacy of the last Conservative PM Rishi Sunak is the UK's "world-leading" AI institute. But today, the FT newspaper is reporting tech firm Anthropic did not submit its latest model for testing, apparently due to pressure from the Trump administration.

    He asks if the PM thinks it's acceptable for the US president to undermine efforts to keep the world safe from dangerous AI.

    Burnham says he has appointed a minister for AI in cabinet and boosted the conversation of AI in government. He says it is open to MPs on all sides to be part of the discussion.

  17. Davey asks if PM will prioritise fixing maternity carepublished at 12:27 BST

    Ed Davey holds up his notes as he stands and speaks in the House of CommonsImage source, House of Commons

    Liberal Democrat leader Ed Davey says he welcomes the government sanctions on illegal Israeli settlements in the West Bank, before turning to ask about maternity care.

    He asks whether the prime minister agrees that work needs to be faster on opening a new maternity unit after failings at Musgrove Park Hospital in Taunton, and if he will make fixing maternity care across the UK a top priority.

    Burnham calls this a "fair question" and says conditions at Musgrove Park point to a systemic challenge across the country.

    Next week, he continues, the health secretary will chair a meeting of the maternity taskforce and will make sure all of the issues raised are looked at in detail.

  18. Analysis

    Dividing lines becoming clearpublished at 12:25 BST

    Chris Mason
    Political editor, reporting from the Commons

    Burnham and BadenochImage source, House of Commons

    A clear dividing line was illustrated in the exchanges between Andy Burnham and Kemi Badenoch on spending priorities — and in particular defence spending and spending on benefits.

    Burnham’s reference to the importance of what he called "social security" will likely be seized upon by some of his critics — his reference to it prompting Badenoch to brand him "unbelievable".

    The prime minister argues that there is a "Labour way to get the welfare bill down" — including improving education — and that that is the "right way to fund defence".

    But Badenoch’s reply that the government "doesn’t know" how it will pay for increased defence spending will be a strand of argument we will likely hear repeatedly this autumn.

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    Badenoch questions Burnham on defence spending target

  19. Chancellor not on the front benchpublished at 12:25 BST

    Kate Whannel
    Reporting from the Commons

    John Healey stands surrounded by MPs with his arms foldedImage source, House of Commons
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    Chancellor John Healey was seen standing at the end of the chamber rather than sat on the front bench

    John Healey is featuring heavily so far in today’s PMQs. He is in the chamber but not sitting on the front bench.

    Instead he is watching on from his favoured position - standing at the end of the chamber.

    He watches on impassively as Badenoch and Burnham argue over what will be one of his biggest headaches ahead of the Budget and next year’s spending review.

  20. Burnham says Britain is showing leadership - Badenoch calls him 'Continuity Keir'published at 12:24 BST

    Andy Burnham speaks during PMQs in the House of CommonsImage source, House of Commons

    Badenoch says the PM keeps speaking about the Labour record as if it was fantastic but "what we have at the moment is just vibes".

    She says other countries are making claims to our sovereign territory, and calls him "continuity Keir" on issues that really matter.

    Burnham points out that Badenoch mentioned leadership and that Britain is showing leadership.

    He says that PMs on both sides of the chamber have been talking about a two-state solution for Israel and Palestine for decades.

    He says leadership is about taking action.

    "Britain has to stand for something. Britain has to show leadership. Britain has to stand for fairness against injustice," he says.

    Burnham says Britain will always stand with the underdog and that is leadership on the world stage.